The big to-do about Bob Poeschl and Tony Palmeri caused by Jef Hall's accusations finally started to bother me, because I consider both Bob and Tony as friends. When I watched the Council meeting live on TV I didn't even notice anything awry - I was still processing the Harold Buchholz choice given my recent thoughts that this guy had some dark horse legitimacy. The fact that Bob wanted a break before making his pick didn't surprise me, he doesn't like being rushed and he usually wants to think his votes through carefully before going "on the record". This is pre-Council Bob Poeschl.
I didn't even notice Jef Hall's accusations until the next day, after I had already written a
short post here welcoming Harold to the Council. So I was a little surprised when I learned what
Jef Hall had written in the morning - with a straight face accusing Tony and Bob of violating open meetings laws, and also at the meeting moments after (
via Twitter) he mentioned it after it was clear that the Council was going to appoint Harold Buchholz and not Stephen Hintz to the seventh seat on the Council.
Stephen Hintz is a good guy, I talked him up here on an
earlier post. He is also State Representative Gordon Hintz's father, and both father and son are very active in the local Democratic Party, which Jef Hall Chairs. So I thought maybe Hall was just going to bat for Hintz, taking pot shots at Bob and Tony for not voting for Hintz. I didn't see a big deal here.
Then the story got legs, even making it into the Oshkosh Northwestern, who got quotes from Bob, Tony, and Jef Hall. So, time to look into the story. I didn't want to call Tony because I knew he had just left town for a long vacation. I called Bob, talked to him a few times with some questions. Then I decided to watch the tape again, because when Council is on break, they keep the cameras on, but the screen is tinted blue and there is text blocking some of the view. But this is what I saw:
- Palmeri, Tower, and McHugh had all spoken and named their choices, Buchholz, Hintz, and Buchholz. Esslinger is asking for someone else to speak next. Bob is reading over his notes, it looks like about 5 pages, and comparing them to what appears to be the resumes in front of him on the table. Esslinger asks again for someone else to speak up. King is looking down at the papers on the table, Poeschl looking over his notes.
- Finally Poeschl says "...I'm still kinda sifting through my thoughts here,,,that's why I... why I'm...not, you know, being front...with... how I feel about [goes inaudible as Esslinger interrupts and asks him if he wants to take a break.] Poeschl continues "...I would appreciate that...there is a great amount of ...[inaudible] evidence here ...[rest inaudible as Esslinger calls for a five minute break.]
At this point, to me it appeared as if Bob had either not made his decision yet, or he was trying to figure out what to say when he did make his pick. Why King hadn't spoken up yet I don't know. Esslinger, as Mayor, was obviously waiting to go last, excercising Mayoral "priviledge".
So what happened on the break. The "five minute break" to allow Poeschl to collect his thoughts was actually 7 minutes and 15 seconds. During this time, the six councilors were coming and going and talking, along with non-Councilor and applicant for the seventh seat Larry Spanbauer. These seven people were the ones on camera most of the time during the break. This is how it played out (times are approximate):
- 00:00 - Break begins. Tower is up and off stage, McHugh stands up, Esslinger and Palmeri immediately start talking, appear to be smiling or laughing. Poeschl is looking over notes, King is looking over notes.
- 00:30 - Larry Spanbauer approaches Jessica King. Poeschl still looking over notes. Esslinger and Palmeri still talking.
- 01:00 - McHugh walks over to Esslinger and Palmeri and joins their conversation. Poeschl looking over notes, King talking with Spanbauer.
- 01:30 - Palmeri leans over to Poeschl and says something. Esslinger and McHugh talking, Spanbauer and King talking.
- 02:15 - Spanbauer leaves King, walks past Poeschl and Palmeri, stops at Esslinger. King gets up and leaves. Palmeri talking to Poeschl as Poeschl continues reviewing notes.
- 03:00 - Tower enters, Tower and Spanbauer talk in front of Council dias, Esslinger& McHugh talking behind dias, Palmeri & Poeschl talking in their seats.
- 03:30 - King returns, goes off camera into the gallery. Poeschl & Palmeri still talking, Palmeri is smiling about something.
- 04:00 - same arrangement, Palmeri & Poeschl talking, Esslinger & McHugh talking, Tower & Spanbauer talking.
- 04:30 - Poeschl & Palmeri talking on and off as Poeschl continues reviewing his notes.
- 05:00 - Palmeri now listening in on McHugh & Esslinger's conversation, Tower & Spanbauer still talking right in front of them, Poeschl alone with his notes.
- 06:00 - Poeschl interjects into the conversation between Palmeri, McHugh and Esslinger, then goes back to his notes. Tower & Spanbauer still talking.
- 06:45 - King returns. Poeschl on notes, Palmeri, Esslinger and McHugh talking.
- 07:00 - Spanbauer leaves, Tower takes his seat. McHugh takes his seat.
- 07:15 - breat ends.
Given the evidence before me, Poeschl was looking over his notes for 1 1/2 minutes before Palmeri started talking to him. Poeschl continued reviewing his notes during the first part of the ensuing 3 minute conversation, but about half way through was talking to Palmeri more than looking at notes. For the last two to two and a half minutes, Palmeri is talking with Esslinger and McHugh, and Poeschl is for the most part looking over his notes.
What I saw in this scene was Poeschl trying to "sift his thoughts", Palmeri basically distracting him for just under half the break (3 minutes), but other wise Poeschl was "sifting". Conversations were going on all around Poeschl, including three councilors all talking together, and an applicant for the seventh seat (Spanbauer) engaged in conversation with three separate councilors.
Spanbauer knows what Palmeri and Poeschl said to each other, he was right in front of them. King was there for the first part of their conversation. Esslinger and McHugh were right next to Tony. The Northwestern quoted Poeschl as stating that they did talk about the presentations, and Palmeri as stating that their conversation was "insignificant". I can imagine that Esslinger & McHugh were talking about the presentations, and Spanbauer and King were talking about the presentations, and the people in the hall were talking about the presentations, and the people at home watching on TV were talking about the presentations.
Did Palmeri tell Poeschl how to vote? No way.
Did Palmeri "influence" Poeschl's decision? And if he did, did he do it during that 3 minute discussion, or during his 3-5 minute monologue stating during the meeting why he was supporting Buchholz? Unknown. I would not be surprised at all if Poeschl was influenced by Palmeri's public comments, but I would be very surprised if Palmeri actually tried to convince Poeschl to vote for Buchholz.
In conclusion, I think Palmeri should not have distracted Poeschl during the break, because the break was called to give Poeschl (and King, by proxy) a chance to review their notes and prepare to offer their selections. On top of this, Poeschl and Palmeri should not have been talking about the presentations given where they were at on the agenda at the time the break was called. Neither did anything illegal or unethical though. I am no lawyer, but people who understand quorum rules have convinced me that no open meetings violations occured.
So this is really and truly "Much Ado About Nothing". Jef Hall has a grudge against Palmeri going back at least as far as Tony's 2004 State Assembly campaign as a Green Party candidate, and he has an axe to grind. I think that Jef Hall dislikes the fact that his County Democrats endorsed Palmeri for Council, and he dislikes the fact that Palmeri (and Poeschl to a degree) appears allied with Esslinger (another person Hall dislikes) and I think Hall is making hay out of nothing for political points.
In other words, this is just politics as usual.